<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.0.3" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments for Vision 2012</title>
	<link>http://www.vision2012.org</link>
	<description>A Vision 2012 Website</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 06:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3</generator>

	<item>
		<title>Comment on Special Subjects by Bob Daubert</title>
		<link>http://www.vision2012.org/special-subjects/#comment-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vision2012.org/special-subjects/#comment-11</guid>
					<description>In most conversations I hear, the &quot;Traffic Problem&quot;,  if there is one, seems to depend upon where one lives in The Village and how often and at what time of day one moves into and out of the Village.

To me though, it has nothing to do with my own convenience or inconvenience.  If you consider the normal driving activities in which most of us engage, how one gets into or out of The Village is a minor factor (negligible?) in the total trip.  It is my believe that how one hits the timing of the traffic lights at Nasa and Wickham or at Evans and New Haven, for example, affect overall trip time far more than whether one enters or leaves The VIllage from Sheridan or Dayton.  Now I will grant you that the cumulative effect of several annoying bottlenecks can induce the &quot;straw that breaks the camel's back&quot; phenomenon but I still would maintain that the issue of trafiic issues in the VIllage SHOULD be viewed from the point of view of the STATIONARY OBSERVER  in The Village and not from the point of view of anyone's automobile cockpit.

Please join me in a little thought experiment.  Image a neutral sentinel positioned high above the organism that is Melbourne VIllage.  Wouldn't one of the first observations of such a sentinal be &quot;What are all of these agents doing passing through the body of this organism?&quot;  Most do not originate in the body nor do they terminate there.  They bring no value to the body, they are not involved in any metabolic processes, they do not catalyze any process - - -  they are intruders, in every sense of the word.  

My first question is: why do we permit these intruders?  Or, more to the point, why don't we do ANYTHING to discourage them?  Even if we can't point to specific risks they present, wouldn't we want to make some token effort at least, to disoucrage them?

Personally, as one who occasionally likes to take a walk along South street early in the morning or late in the day, I find that there are specific risks, like getting run over, that interfere with my enjoyment of the neighborhood.  Sure, some of the traffic I encounter are VIllagers, but very few as far as I can tell.  As the areas around us continue to build out more and more intruders will find there way here.  Sooner or later, one of these people who &quot;has no business&quot; here, will recognize that we are a soft target and they will develop business here that will be a law enforcement issue.

At the present time, this is not a law enforcement issue.  My complaint is not that these people are breaking the law, most are not.  My complaint is that they are here at all.  Sooner or later, a passer-by will engage in nefarious activities either accidentally or intentionally.  And why?  Because we did nothing to discourage it.  Because we wanted the trip to, oh say, Macy's, to take 9 minutes instead of 11?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most conversations I hear, the &#8220;Traffic Problem&#8221;,  if there is one, seems to depend upon where one lives in The Village and how often and at what time of day one moves into and out of the Village.</p>
<p>To me though, it has nothing to do with my own convenience or inconvenience.  If you consider the normal driving activities in which most of us engage, how one gets into or out of The Village is a minor factor (negligible?) in the total trip.  It is my believe that how one hits the timing of the traffic lights at Nasa and Wickham or at Evans and New Haven, for example, affect overall trip time far more than whether one enters or leaves The VIllage from Sheridan or Dayton.  Now I will grant you that the cumulative effect of several annoying bottlenecks can induce the &#8220;straw that breaks the camel&#8217;s back&#8221; phenomenon but I still would maintain that the issue of trafiic issues in the VIllage SHOULD be viewed from the point of view of the STATIONARY OBSERVER  in The Village and not from the point of view of anyone&#8217;s automobile cockpit.</p>
<p>Please join me in a little thought experiment.  Image a neutral sentinel positioned high above the organism that is Melbourne VIllage.  Wouldn&#8217;t one of the first observations of such a sentinal be &#8220;What are all of these agents doing passing through the body of this organism?&#8221;  Most do not originate in the body nor do they terminate there.  They bring no value to the body, they are not involved in any metabolic processes, they do not catalyze any process - - -  they are intruders, in every sense of the word.  </p>
<p>My first question is: why do we permit these intruders?  Or, more to the point, why don&#8217;t we do ANYTHING to discourage them?  Even if we can&#8217;t point to specific risks they present, wouldn&#8217;t we want to make some token effort at least, to disoucrage them?</p>
<p>Personally, as one who occasionally likes to take a walk along South street early in the morning or late in the day, I find that there are specific risks, like getting run over, that interfere with my enjoyment of the neighborhood.  Sure, some of the traffic I encounter are VIllagers, but very few as far as I can tell.  As the areas around us continue to build out more and more intruders will find there way here.  Sooner or later, one of these people who &#8220;has no business&#8221; here, will recognize that we are a soft target and they will develop business here that will be a law enforcement issue.</p>
<p>At the present time, this is not a law enforcement issue.  My complaint is not that these people are breaking the law, most are not.  My complaint is that they are here at all.  Sooner or later, a passer-by will engage in nefarious activities either accidentally or intentionally.  And why?  Because we did nothing to discourage it.  Because we wanted the trip to, oh say, Macy&#8217;s, to take 9 minutes instead of 11?
</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Special Subjects by Bob Daubert</title>
		<link>http://www.vision2012.org/special-subjects/#comment-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vision2012.org/special-subjects/#comment-9</guid>
					<description>Minutes of the Ad Hoc Traffic Committee
Tuesday September 14, 2006

Attendees were committee members Steve Dixon, Alan Robbins, Bob Daubert, and commission liaison Rand Carroll.  Members Tom Kjerulff and Roberta Reed were excused.

In chairman Reed’s absence, Mr. Daubert was selected as acting chairman.

The members exchanged impressions of the current status of the committee since it has been inactive for several months.  Mr. Daubert offered the materials in Appendix A as recap of some of the earlier work.  

All agreed that the problem is the cut through traffic and that even though it affects some villagers more than it affects others, the quality of life for everyone who uses the village roadways is affected by it.  While speeding is a concern, it is not the real problem; volume is the problem and it will get worse once the left turn lane and widening is completed on Wickham Road at Sheridan.  Commissioner Carroll and the members agreed that any solution must not “move the problem” to somewhere else in the Village.

Mr. Daubert discussed some efforts to do a traffic count and the difficulties.  Mr. Dixon suggested that we further investigate traffic counting devices.  He noted that they could be purchased or perhaps even fabricated by villagers.

Commissioner Carroll pointed out that two streets in surrounding West Melbourne (Bossieux Blvd. and Sylvan Drive) now have new speed bumps installed on streets that are popular cut through routes.

Mr. Robbins and Mr. Dixon pointed out that oversized commercial vehicles are disregarding the “No Trucks” signs at the entrances to the Town and using the Sheridan-Pine-South-Dayton route purely for convenience and not only for deliveries in the Town.  The committee requests that the Mayor ask Chief King to pay a visit to the businesses on US192 and Sheridan Road and ask them again to instruct their employees not to use the Town as a convenient cut through path.
 
There was general agreement that speed bumps, humps, or plateaus are the first thing that come to mind but that they should not be the only thing we consider.  From this discussion the committee decided that a report should be prepared for the Town Commission of the results of committee research and deliberations.  The core of this report is to be a list of all traffic management devices deemed applicable to our situation by the committee along with their advantages, disadvantages, and cost estimates, where possible.

Mr. Daubert volunteered to prepare a version of the report by mid-October and the committee members agreed to meet again and review the report at that time.

Mr. Robbins wished to express the sense of the committee and proposed a motion that the report include this text: “It is the opinion of the Traffic Committee that a complete closure of either the Dayton or Sheridan entrances is the most effective solution to cut through traffic.”  The motion was seconded and passed unanimously.

 

The participants then prepared a list of the options (in no particular order) to be included in the report as candidates for reducing or eliminating cut through traffic.  
	Speed bumps
	Speed tables (or humps)
	Cobblestone/brick segments
	Chicanes
	One way streets
	One lane (but two-way) street segments
	Permanent Closures
	Temporary/Intermittent Closures
	Changing Speed Limits (either by time of day or always)
	Adding Stop Signs
	
The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 PM.



Respectfully submitted,


Bob Daubert.
 
Appendix A
Miscellaneous Information  Relevant to Traffic Committee Deliberations

The following were obtained in phone conversations with the individuals identified.

March 23, 2005
Ms. Ronnie Grove
Senior Project Manager
386-943-5307
Florida State Department of Transportation
Deland, FL

Checked with permitting departments at FDOT level.  As long as we do not alter the traffic flow at the intersection with US 192 we do not have to get state approval for any changes we wish to make up to and including road closures.

Mr. Carl Fisher
Traffic Analyst (handles permitting)

He asserted that when Orlando makes streets one-way, for example, they do not have to coordinate with the state unless the change requires changes in traffic signals that are on state roads or they intend to change the footprint of the intersection itself.  If they do that, it’s very expensive and time consuming.

March 25, 2005
George Thompson
Director of Traffic Engineering
Brevard County
Viera, FL

He asserted that the County had no jurisdiction unless we directly affect the intersection between Sheridan and Wickam.  He echoed the statements by Ms. Grove above that the State of Florida would have no interest unless we directly affected the intersection between Dayton and US 192.  He also noted that Target would probably have a claim against us if we interfered with US 192 traffic making it’s way into Target from US 192..



Minutes of the Traffic Committee Fact Finding Workshop
Held Thursday, March 17, 2005


The Workshop was held in Chief King’s office at the Town Office.  In attendance were Roberta Reed, Bob Daubert, Chief King, and Ivan M. Horodyskyj, P. E., City Traffic Engineer with the City of Melbourne.  The meeting began at 11:00 AM and lasted one hour and fifteen minutes.

Mr. Horodyskyj described the process by which changes in traffic patterns or traffic control devices are introduced into communities in general and specifically in Melbourne.  The City of Melbourne guidelines for citizen requests for traffic calming or elimination were discussed.  A copy is attached to these minutes.

He also emphasized the importance of good data and recommended a “tag study”.  This is an analysis of traffic flow by observation.  Observers positioned on Dayton and Sheridan would log partial tag numbers and the time of the observation.  Comparison of the two logs would give us estimates of cut-through volume as well as total counts.

Mr. Horodyskyj confirmed that any alterations to traffic flow will have to be approved by the state DOT.  He believes that a request within state law, properly presented with supporting data, would likely be approved.  The process can take as much as a year.

Mr. Horodyskyj offered the following professionals as resources for us.

Motorist Design
Traffic/Transportation Consultants
Rhonda Pieper-Schmitz
459-2905

Frazier Engineering, Inc.
Consulting, Civil, and Structural Engineers
Michael J. Sweeney
253-8131

Dick Thompson
Director of Traffic Engineering
Brevard County
633-2077

Mr. Horodyskyj gave a brief discussion of some traffic calming measures and their effectiveness.  He provided the following via e-mail after the meeting.

“Speed humps are placed only after an engineering study is performed.  We hire Frazier Engineering to do such studies.  The fee ranges from $2000 to $6000 per study, depending upon location.  They produce a report and draw plans that show where and how the humps are to be built.  Then we hire a contractor to build the devices.  The cost is about $1000 each ($500 for the asphalt and $500 for the labor to install).”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minutes of the Ad Hoc Traffic Committee<br />
Tuesday September 14, 2006</p>
<p>Attendees were committee members Steve Dixon, Alan Robbins, Bob Daubert, and commission liaison Rand Carroll.  Members Tom Kjerulff and Roberta Reed were excused.</p>
<p>In chairman Reed’s absence, Mr. Daubert was selected as acting chairman.</p>
<p>The members exchanged impressions of the current status of the committee since it has been inactive for several months.  Mr. Daubert offered the materials in Appendix A as recap of some of the earlier work.  </p>
<p>All agreed that the problem is the cut through traffic and that even though it affects some villagers more than it affects others, the quality of life for everyone who uses the village roadways is affected by it.  While speeding is a concern, it is not the real problem; volume is the problem and it will get worse once the left turn lane and widening is completed on Wickham Road at Sheridan.  Commissioner Carroll and the members agreed that any solution must not “move the problem” to somewhere else in the Village.</p>
<p>Mr. Daubert discussed some efforts to do a traffic count and the difficulties.  Mr. Dixon suggested that we further investigate traffic counting devices.  He noted that they could be purchased or perhaps even fabricated by villagers.</p>
<p>Commissioner Carroll pointed out that two streets in surrounding West Melbourne (Bossieux Blvd. and Sylvan Drive) now have new speed bumps installed on streets that are popular cut through routes.</p>
<p>Mr. Robbins and Mr. Dixon pointed out that oversized commercial vehicles are disregarding the “No Trucks” signs at the entrances to the Town and using the Sheridan-Pine-South-Dayton route purely for convenience and not only for deliveries in the Town.  The committee requests that the Mayor ask Chief King to pay a visit to the businesses on US192 and Sheridan Road and ask them again to instruct their employees not to use the Town as a convenient cut through path.</p>
<p>There was general agreement that speed bumps, humps, or plateaus are the first thing that come to mind but that they should not be the only thing we consider.  From this discussion the committee decided that a report should be prepared for the Town Commission of the results of committee research and deliberations.  The core of this report is to be a list of all traffic management devices deemed applicable to our situation by the committee along with their advantages, disadvantages, and cost estimates, where possible.</p>
<p>Mr. Daubert volunteered to prepare a version of the report by mid-October and the committee members agreed to meet again and review the report at that time.</p>
<p>Mr. Robbins wished to express the sense of the committee and proposed a motion that the report include this text: “It is the opinion of the Traffic Committee that a complete closure of either the Dayton or Sheridan entrances is the most effective solution to cut through traffic.”  The motion was seconded and passed unanimously.</p>
<p>The participants then prepared a list of the options (in no particular order) to be included in the report as candidates for reducing or eliminating cut through traffic.<br />
	Speed bumps<br />
	Speed tables (or humps)<br />
	Cobblestone/brick segments<br />
	Chicanes<br />
	One way streets<br />
	One lane (but two-way) street segments<br />
	Permanent Closures<br />
	Temporary/Intermittent Closures<br />
	Changing Speed Limits (either by time of day or always)<br />
	Adding Stop Signs</p>
<p>The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 PM.</p>
<p>Respectfully submitted,</p>
<p>Bob Daubert.</p>
<p>Appendix A<br />
Miscellaneous Information  Relevant to Traffic Committee Deliberations</p>
<p>The following were obtained in phone conversations with the individuals identified.</p>
<p>March 23, 2005<br />
Ms. Ronnie Grove<br />
Senior Project Manager<br />
386-943-5307<br />
Florida State Department of Transportation<br />
Deland, FL</p>
<p>Checked with permitting departments at FDOT level.  As long as we do not alter the traffic flow at the intersection with US 192 we do not have to get state approval for any changes we wish to make up to and including road closures.</p>
<p>Mr. Carl Fisher<br />
Traffic Analyst (handles permitting)</p>
<p>He asserted that when Orlando makes streets one-way, for example, they do not have to coordinate with the state unless the change requires changes in traffic signals that are on state roads or they intend to change the footprint of the intersection itself.  If they do that, it’s very expensive and time consuming.</p>
<p>March 25, 2005<br />
George Thompson<br />
Director of Traffic Engineering<br />
Brevard County<br />
Viera, FL</p>
<p>He asserted that the County had no jurisdiction unless we directly affect the intersection between Sheridan and Wickam.  He echoed the statements by Ms. Grove above that the State of Florida would have no interest unless we directly affected the intersection between Dayton and US 192.  He also noted that Target would probably have a claim against us if we interfered with US 192 traffic making it’s way into Target from US 192..</p>
<p>Minutes of the Traffic Committee Fact Finding Workshop<br />
Held Thursday, March 17, 2005</p>
<p>The Workshop was held in Chief King’s office at the Town Office.  In attendance were Roberta Reed, Bob Daubert, Chief King, and Ivan M. Horodyskyj, P. E., City Traffic Engineer with the City of Melbourne.  The meeting began at 11:00 AM and lasted one hour and fifteen minutes.</p>
<p>Mr. Horodyskyj described the process by which changes in traffic patterns or traffic control devices are introduced into communities in general and specifically in Melbourne.  The City of Melbourne guidelines for citizen requests for traffic calming or elimination were discussed.  A copy is attached to these minutes.</p>
<p>He also emphasized the importance of good data and recommended a “tag study”.  This is an analysis of traffic flow by observation.  Observers positioned on Dayton and Sheridan would log partial tag numbers and the time of the observation.  Comparison of the two logs would give us estimates of cut-through volume as well as total counts.</p>
<p>Mr. Horodyskyj confirmed that any alterations to traffic flow will have to be approved by the state DOT.  He believes that a request within state law, properly presented with supporting data, would likely be approved.  The process can take as much as a year.</p>
<p>Mr. Horodyskyj offered the following professionals as resources for us.</p>
<p>Motorist Design<br />
Traffic/Transportation Consultants<br />
Rhonda Pieper-Schmitz<br />
459-2905</p>
<p>Frazier Engineering, Inc.<br />
Consulting, Civil, and Structural Engineers<br />
Michael J. Sweeney<br />
253-8131</p>
<p>Dick Thompson<br />
Director of Traffic Engineering<br />
Brevard County<br />
633-2077</p>
<p>Mr. Horodyskyj gave a brief discussion of some traffic calming measures and their effectiveness.  He provided the following via e-mail after the meeting.</p>
<p>“Speed humps are placed only after an engineering study is performed.  We hire Frazier Engineering to do such studies.  The fee ranges from $2000 to $6000 per study, depending upon location.  They produce a report and draw plans that show where and how the humps are to be built.  Then we hire a contractor to build the devices.  The cost is about $1000 each ($500 for the asphalt and $500 for the labor to install).”
</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
</channel>
</rss>

